Football Players Receive $17,000 Annually in Cash, all within NCAA Rules
May 22, 2011 10:52 pm, CST

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Pryor has plenty of money available to him. There is no need to sell sacred items.

That’s it. I have had it with the inane and redundant talk about NCAA football student-athletes, specifically football players, not being able pay for a tank of gas or afford a combo meal at Subway. Stop it! Enough is enough. These kids are given ample resources to “survive” during their years on a college campus, and I will prove it to you. I will show you not only the value of a scholarship, but the cash and benefits student-athletes can get all within NCAA rules.

If this is your first time to Holy Turf, welcome. Let me give you some quick background information. I spent nine years working inside athletic departments at Arkansas and Baylor as an academic advisor for student-athletes. I have seen the inner workings of two athletic departments in two major conferences. Let’s get back to the task at hand. I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas, the home of the Razorbacks. In this article, I am going to use Arkansas as my example.

Before we get to the value of a scholarship, let’s start off with the amount of money available to football student-athletes within NCAA rules.

Pell Grant
Many football student-athletes qualify for a Pell Grant based on several factors, but most earn a Pell Grant based on a lack of wealth from their parents. According to collegeboard.com, “The U.S. Department of Education uses a standard formula to evaluate the information you supply when applying for a Pell Grant. This formula produces a number called the Expected Family Contribution (EFC), which determines if you are eligible. The grant requires that you: 1. Are an undergraduate student who has not earned a bachelor’s degree. 2. Are a U.S. citizen or an eligible noncitizen. 3. Have a high school diploma or a GED, or demonstrate the ability to benefit from the program”

A full Pell Grant is worth $5,500 a year and never has to be repaid because it is a grant, not a loan. Football players get $5,500 each year to do with what they want.

Clothing Money
If a football player qualifies for a Pell Grant, they also get $500 of clothing allowance each year. My memory fails me, but I am almost certain this money is from the conference. Football players can buy whatever clothes they want as long as they bring back $500 worth of receipts to their Compliance department showing the clothes they bought. Now, many football players will spend this money on new Nike’s, hats, jeans or t–shirts. This money could be spent on buying a nice suit, or a few pairs of khaki pants and some button down shirts, but rarely is that the case.

Commissioner's like the Big 10's Jim Delaney talk about full cost scholarships, but remember that goes to every student-athlete on a full scholarship, not just football players.

Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund
According to Bylaw 15.01.6.2 in the NCAA Manual, each athletic department can use the student-athlete opportunity fund money for anything but financing salaries, scholarships (though paying for summer school is allowed, but a football player’s scholarship covers summer school), capital improvements, stipends, and outside athletic development. The NCAA gives each school a chunk of money each year…roughly $200,000 to help student-athletes out with whatever needs they may have deemed fit by the senior staff member in the athletic department in charge of the money. This money is not just for football, but the entire athletic department. Regardless, if a football player needs money to pay for gas, more new clothes, or a plane ride home, they can legally get money for that.

Special Assistance Fund
Football players also have access to a special assistance fund too. According to NCAA bylaw 16.12.2, money from the special assistance fund may be requested as additional financial aid (with no obligation to repay such aid) for special financial needs for student-athletes. I know one school used this fund to fly their basketball players home for the Christmas break. Completely within NCAA rules.

Room and Board
Football players typically live on campus with a meal plan at the dining hall during their freshman years. In this case, their scholarship covers all of the cost for their dorm room and meal plan. Most players will live off campus after their freshman year as long as the coach allows it, which is usually determined by how the student-athlete is doing in school. Football players living off campus get a room and board check equal to the amount their university lists in the costs to attend. For Arkansas, it is $4,021 for each fall and spring semester based off of this figure. A total of $8,024 for both semesters. Almost all scholarship football players stay in town for summer school to take care of their academics and workout. Arkansas has 16-week fall and spring semesters. The two summer sessions are a total of 12 weeks. Using that logic, Arkansas football players get 75% (12 weeks instead of 16) of $4,021, which is $3,016.

Here is one non-monetary benefit that may interest readers.

Occasional Meal
NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.5 allows for a student-athlete or an entire team in a sport to have an occasional meal paid for by a representative of athletics interest, also known as a booster, on infrequent and special occasions. The booster can even provide local transportation as long as the meal is at the booster’s house and not a restaurant. The meal cannot be at a house, but can be catered. The meal can be as lavish as the booster wants to provide. Most schools have a form for boosters to fill out before hosting a student-athlete or team. This is another way to feed student-athletes.

The typical non-freshman Arkansas football player received the cash listed below in 2010-11:
$5,500- Pell Grant
$500- Clothing Fund
$8,024- Fall and Spring Room and Board
$3,016- Summer Room and Board

$17,040- Grand Total

Remember, this excludes any money from the Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund, the Special Assistance Fund, and any occasional meals provided by boosters. Monthly, football players are looking at $1,420 cash in their pocket without having to buy books or pay tuition and fees. Did you have $1,420 of cash every month in college? If football players were to work a job paying a respectable $10 an hour, they would need to work 36 hours a week for 50 weeks to make $1,420 before taxes to make what they get from their football scholarship and other available money sources.

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive recently said, ""I have long thought that we should revisit the limitations on the current scholarship model and perhaps expand it to cover the full cost of attendance. I look forward to that discussion."

How much does it cost to live in an apartment in Fayetteville? One of, if not, the nicest apartments on the edge of campus costs $480 per person for a two bedroom apartment. Another nice apartment about a mile from campus costs $350 per person for a two bedroom apartment. If we split the difference at $415 per person, our football players have over $1,000 remaining from their monthly income after paying for rent and remember, they have no bills for tuition, books, or fees. Still think these guys cannot afford a tank of gas, a date, or any other reasonable expenditure for a college student?

Football is a ‘head count’ sport according to the NCAA. This means that football student-athletes are either on a full scholarship or not on any athletic scholarship. There is no middle ground. A full scholarship covers tuition, fees, books, room, and board. We covered the money a football player actually receives. Now, we will look at the added value of a scholarship. At Arkansas a student taking 30 credit hours would pay just under $8,000 as an in-state student for tuition, fees, and books. A non-resident would pay $17,162 for the same. Many football players will also take summer school during both summer sessions. The average expense for an in-state student taking nine summer hours is roughly $2,000. For an out of state student, the cost is closer to $4,500.

Scholarships are renewable each year for up to five years while student-athletes can only compete four seasons. Coaches can choose to not award a scholarship to a returning student-athlete at the end of each year for any reason. For our sake, we will assume our football players will be at school for five years because many redshirt or lose a year to a medical redshirt. In-state Arkansas students get $50,000 in value over five years from their scholarship covering tuition, books, and fees to go along with the roughly $17,000 a year we calculated above. In total, a football scholarship is worth $135,000 to football player at Arkansas from the state of Arkansas. Football players from out of state get roughly $108,000 in value over five years from their scholarship covering tuition, books, and fees in addition to the $17,000 a year listed above for a five year value of roughly $193,000.

I am not sure if I changed your mind on whether or not athletes should get paid, but next time you hear a talking head whining about football players not being able to afford money for a tank of gas or to take a lady out on a date you will know the facts. Most football players at BCS schools have a surplus of cash each month to spend however they choose.

Should all student-athletes on full scholarships, including football players, be paid in excess of a scholarship that covers tuition, books, fees, room, and board?

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170 Responses to “Football Players Receive $17,000 Annually in Cash, all within NCAA Rules”

  1. David says:

    Football players bring in 10’s of millions of dollars for all of the schools in the BCS. Assuming your numbers are correct the schools are paying out less than a million. How can this be right?

    • Brian says:

      I help my company many Millions as dollars as well, yet, I am only paid 42k. Gimme Gimme Gimme

      • Hugh says:

        People actually care about college athletes and their performance, which is why they deserve more. When is the last time you had 60,000 people come see you work at Nike? Exactly.

        • sdclams says:

          Nobody forces the kids to go. If it’s so unfair, maybe they can just find another job that gives them the same opportunity for the future with more cash up front? We’d be happy to have them in the military.

        • Ted Lawrence says:

          No. Literally dozens of media groups have had the bright idea that they could subsidize a college league that paid players a small stipend for playing and basically steal the whole college athletic system away from the big giants who control it today. What they have all found when they studied the issue is that most fans actually believe they are supporting students who play sports in their spare time and wouldn’t contribute to watch semi-pro’s. Part of the reason of course is they instantly become second tier if they are paid while now they are viewed as the best students from a school, but more than that, there are a lot of people who take their kids to games specifically because they want them to identify with the local college and think it’s all a good atmosphere for them to be around and won’t support it if that is gone.

          • Ted Lawrence says:

            I will add that colleges do use star players to help solicit big donations for their school, but the amounts they receive drop dramatically whenever a school is in trouble. When USC went through their latest scandal in football, they only took a small hit in terms of season ticket sales, in part because they kept winning. But the amound of money they recieved from donors giving over 500k dropped by more than half and several people who stopped giving said that they did so because they were disgusted at the lack of institutional control over the football team. Heavy duty sports fans know these are not regular students, but the casual fans don’t and that makes all the difference. So does all the money they make as a non-profit institution which you can’t be if you are paying players.

          • Ted Lawrence says:

            I should also add that D-1 schools are allowed to arrange summer employment for their players which usually means they are getting very good jobs over their summer breaks.

        • mcs says:

          Yes, College athletes choose to play because they love to play, if they were in it for money we wouldn’t have college sports. If we paid college athletes, they might as well go pro and not attend college anymore. What would the point of staying in school if they were paid?
          Also Lee Maisel makes a good point “If they are employees, some or all of the athletic scholarships they receive might be taxed as income.”

          • The point of giving them a stipend would be to give them a better quality of life. They can’t have summer jobs because they are working out all summer and then taking summer school to stay on track with the NCAA guidelines. They already are working full-time for the NCAA and bring in over $15 billion annually for the NCAA. Yet they don’t receive a slice of it. The video game also brings in $4 billion for the NCAA however the players who’s likeness is portrayed in the game can recieve none of it. However we all know that OB #2 from Ohio St. With a speed rating of 92 and an overall rating of 89 is none other than Terell Pryor.

            How much you all wanna bet that if we gave the players a stipend that all of this “Under the table” stuff would go away?

          • Les says:

            Slave owners had the same rationale. Slaves have it good — free room and board, guaranteed employment. They love working on the plantation. Why ruin a good thing by paying them equitable wages with decent working conditions? They’d just run away or start their own businesses.

      • Patrick says:

        Yes, but without you, your company will survive. These athletes are a selected bunch that people pay to see..

    • Steve says:

      The BRAND of the school not the PLAYERS brings in millions of dollars.

      For Example: Specifically tell me the economic impact of John Wall for Kentucky basketball.

      Kentucky Basketball sold out every game LONG BEFORE he got there and has sold out every game since. They had all their TV/Radio contracts in place well before he arrived.

      So please explain how John Wall specifically impacted that “bottom line” for Kentucky Basketball.

      Now do this with every athlete, like the backup up punter.

      The BRAND of the schools is what generates millions, not the players.

      • Sam says:

        thank you….
        It’s a Brand thang.

        • Garret says:

          First, hundreds of thousands of one individual jersey is a bit exaggerated. Second, the player’s names (Tebow) doesn’t go on the backs of the official college replicas because then the companies would have to give a % of sales to the players which would violate their “amateur status” according to NCAA rules. You won’t find any jerseys at univesity sponsored stores/websites or from the company (nike, adidas, etc) that sells the actual college replica jersey with the player’s name on it. So effectively, the company is technically only selling the # not the player, of which the # belongs to the school not the player so they don’t owe the player anything for jersey sales.

          • Garret says:

            My above post was actually in response to the “November 17, 2011 at 12:57 am” below.

      • leach says:

        Do you really believe the Florida could sale hundreds of thousands of #15 jerseys if it didn’t have Tebow on the back? Get real!!! You may want to do some homework. I did think that the universities and colleges were making millions, but now I now better, the NCAA is making Billions off the back of these athletes.

        Do you know that the NCAA will be paid $11 Billion over the next 10 years, just for three weeks of the mens basketball tournament? and less than a third of that will go to the schools.

        I think all athletes from A to Z should be paid a small stipend, during season, no matter what sport.

        P.S. I have friends that played division one football, and none recieved any money for off campus housing or clothes.

      • Dawn says:

        No players, no game, no money made. advertisers pay millions to have student athletes wear there product. They Deserve some of that money.

      • OK I will explain it to you. If Kentucky doesn’t get any decent players, they will not win, then they will lose their fan base. It would even happen at Kentucky. If the players don’t matter, jog out the math team to play against Kansas in the NCAA tournament. The fact that Kentucky’s brand is so strong is not because of the brand itself, that makes no sense whatsoever. It’s winning and tradition that makes a brand and that requires winning which requires talent.

        • hi says:

          Actually the “brand” is what draws in new recruits so your argument is fatally flawed.

          A big part of that “drawing in recruits” is some places can provide players with the big venues for them to perform in.

          For example every NBA scout knew about John Wall, but without Kentucky getting far into their conference and the NCAA tournament, there are no big pressure games for scouts to evaluate how Wall responds.

          According to your logic, any random D-2 or D-3 school should be able to turn into the North Carolina/Duke of basketball in certain years, but they can’t.

          As someone else already explained in the post you replied to, the contracts are already there. The facilities are already top notch, etc etc

      • Patrick says:

        That’s because it’s the likes of athletes like John Wall. It’s historical. Put all of your top biology students on the basketball team, fill the football team with all accountings top students, fill the girls basketball team with all the top female fashion design students etc……and see where the athletic “BRAND” for your school goes. The Ivy’ss and a select few are the only true educational “Brand” colleges.

      • Jordan says:

        How do you think the university of Texas became one of the largest brands in the country in 2006? Because in 2005 they won the national championship. You have to understand the full context of the situation if you want to make an opinionated argument. With every game that is played, the university is able to sell and market their brand to 100′s of thousands if not millions of people (depending on the school). It is proven that a good a athletics program increases the student applications, again bringing money to the school. Money that isn’t seen by people who don’t understand the entire situation. The fact of the matter is that people actually care about sports, and instead of seeing it as a business most see it as recreation and entertainment. These athletes are equivalent to all of you who have jobs in the work force, and if you don’t believe it keep doing your research. If you worked 40-50 hours a week and were the sole reason why your company earned 100 million dollars each year, and you only earned 17,000 dollars for it, you would fight for your rights as well. What these athletes are doing is a great thing, and i applaud them for raising the awareness to the millions of people who overlooked this issue.

    • chris says:

      Football and basketball players earn the NCAA billions of dollars on tv deals alone. Its not fair that these kids are getting substantially less than what they make? True some athletes buy clothes for themselves as they entitled to but who has they right to say they should spend it on kakhis or a nice suit. When would they auctually wear them? Gamedays, press conferences? And many send money back to their families to help them out #fact.

      • Steve says:

        For the people that keep saying that the “PLAYERS” earn the school millions….show me how.

        Use the example I showed above with John Wall.

        Show me how he specifically moved the “bottom line” in revenue for Kentucky Basketball.

        Did they sell more tickets because of him? NO
        Did they get bigger TV/Radio Contracts because of him? NO

        Kentucky Basketball was going to make millions whether or not John Wall was the point guard that season or not.

        Same applies to Terrel Pryor, etc.

        These players are there for 3-4 years and the schools make millions before and after they leave…..Notre Dame sells out whether they have a good team or not.

        Show me how the “NAMES” on the back of the jersey are responsible for the “Millions of Dollars” that you guys claim.

        The Starting QB at Ohio State is going to sell a ton of jerseys no matter what…Whether his name is Pryor or Krenzel or Random Guy.

        • Neal says:

          Please, so you think a major school could play just scrubs for a decade and still sell out every game and maintain their Brand? No, they have done a good job of recruiting the best players they can over the years which has built the brand and allowed them to make hundreds of millions of dollars.

          The idea of writing that players don’t deserve anything more because the schools already allow them a life just below the poverty line. Sure, the top players will get to make millions of dollars but the other 55 players on these teams will have to make due with what they have and while they are getting an education, so much of that time is spent on their sport that it does reduce the effectiveness of that education.

          At the very least even if they didn’t pay the players more, some kind of pension system that gave the players a modest amount after a certain age(but earlier than retirement, I’m thinking 20-30,000 starting around 35-40) would be an excellent way to reward these players for their contributions. Properly funded, this sort of plan would likely only cost the NCAA tens of millions of the billions they make on the backs of these kids.

          • Steve says:

            “Please, so you think a major school could play just scrubs for a decade and still sell out every game and maintain their Brand? ”

            See Notre Dame….

          • Sam says:

            Yes,my school would sale every ticket if Bozo was named QB.It’s just how we roll.Did you read the article ?

          • Justine says:

            Y’all seem to look passed the fact that these schools you’re talking about.. “Arkansas”…. are SCHOOLS. They aren’t just football institutions with football players walking around practicing and playing football all day looking for compensation. They are STUDENT athletes, many of whom would not even be in college to begin with if the school weren’t paying for their education, for their living expenses, for their food, and their clothes. They do not come to the school simply to play football, they are getting a FREE education, while most of the other students are paying their way thru college and coming out under debt… who gives a shit about how many people come to watch their games… they’re getting all this paid for yet you think they should be getting pensions and thousands of dollars on top of everything?!… ARE YOU JOKING? Pretty soon High school players will be getting the proceeds of the ticket sales of their football games.

          • GonzoHog says:

            You think Notre Dame built their rep on scrubs?…No, they didn’t. They built their rep on great players, who made their teams great for decades.

            Then and only then, could ND fail to produce on the field and not fall down completely. They we’re too big for that, but they didn’t get that way playing scrubs.

          • Look at Video games. The NCAA makes billions of dollars off of the likenesses of the athletes. Try telling Pryor that the 6 foot 6 inch tall Quarterback #2 for Ohio State ISNT HIM. They use their likeness in the games and gain money and publicity that way. If you don’t wanna pay the athletes, then DONT CHARGE FOR TICKETS. The schools get millions of dollars per year in just advertising by having their schools represented by these players on such a big stage. PAY THE PLAYERS.

    • papabear says:

      Many programs bring in millions from football, but almost half lose money (52 out of 120 in2009)
      Even the ones who do make money use it to pay for their other athletic programs. 12 out of 120 athletic programs actually made money in 2009.

      • A lot of these numbers are misleading. For instance, schools charge for parking at all of their athletic events and all of that income is filed under other departments not related to the athletic department. There are other ways to show that they aren’t making money when they really are. A good accountant can make numbers say whatever they like.

    • Jared says:

      By these figures, if half the players on the team were in-state and half were out of state then the school would pay our over $2 million per year to football players alone. Check your math first, then figure in all the other sports we haven’t talked about and see where you end up…

    • marcus says:

      this does not show the sports that do not bring in any revenue to the school but still use the money. that is how its possible

  2. John in Fayetteville says:

    Nice piece – I wonder if all universities use pell grant as an addition to scholarship money or if some simply supplant scholarship money by crediting it to the account and then recapturing some scholarship money for the institution.

  3. flintharris says:

    David, You make a good point about the money brought in by football, but to calculate the costs of scholarships you need to take 85 (scholarships players per football team) and multiply it by the cost for each player’s scholarship (let’s say $30K per year on average) and multiply that by 120 (NCAA D1 teams). Using that rough math, that is $306,000,000 in scholarships, Pell Grant, clothing allowance, room and board etc…

    John, Most BCS school let players keep their Pell Grant on top of their scholarships- a recruiting tactic that the big boys can use. Smaller schools will give kids a “Full minus Pell.” In this scenario, the money from the Pell Grant is credited to the student’s account, but the student still has all of his expenses taken care of.

    • Neal says:

      Adding the education portion of scholarships is some creative accounting though, isn’t it? Once you get past room, board and textbooks, the cost of adding 50 students to 50,000 doesn’t add anything so far as actual costs. Though I’m sure they use that portion as some form of write-off. Just another way the schools make money off these kids.

    • toddwright says:

      That’s incorrect. There is physical funds transferred to pay for the scholarships. Many booster clubs actually pay for the scholarships. That’s why the big boys – Notre Dame/Texas etc. have endowments, where scholarship funds are paid each year. It is inaccurate to say that the students go to class for free and that there is no money changing hands.

  4. Anon says:

    Yeah, it’s great if you’re poor, black, and good enough to start for a BCS program. If you’re a hard working white kid from a middle class family walking on to a smaller school, though, you’re screwed. Let’s punish everyone to avoid possibly gifting the unworthy!

    • toddwright says:

      Or he could have gone to school closer to home if family was that important. No one forced him to play football 2000 miles from home.

  5. Margie says:

    Pell grants are not that easy to get! You have to be really poor! My son play D1 football at a top 5 program and lives in the dorm. Yes- room and board, tuition and books are paid for, and receives $90 per month. That does not cover any transportation cost and he lives 2000 miles from home. Round-trip airfare to come home this spring was $575. $90 is not much to cover clothing, occasional meals, haircuts, misc. stuff. He can’t work in the summer and takes classes year round. I think an extra $200-300 would be GREAT!

    • jack says:

      If your son is receiving room and board, tuition, and books from his school, plus $90 per month, I think you could dish out the $600 for him to come home. If he is at an out of state, top 5, college football school, im guessing its at least $20,000 a year (not including summer semester). thats $20,000 that isnt coming from your pocket and would be paying if he wasnt on scholarship. Be greatfull, not greedy.

      • Everett Darnell Williams says:

        Amen, and God bless you. Some people want everything given to them and think they deserve it. Gratatude is something most Americans don’t have, sad it say.

  6. Mike Jay says:

    I have had it with sanctimonious middle class folks who have no idea of the lottery that these poor kids play all in hopes of cashing in on a dream few ever achieve. This whole frigging position of a scholarship as blessing and scraps from assorted grants make up more than enough for kids who literally risk their lives is stupid. It is another example of folks with a lot of $$ exploiting folks without it. Hundreds of millions of dollars are made on the backs of these kids and these bountiful scholarships disappear with the first career ending injury. It is just like the greedy pro football owners thinking that fairness flies out the window because they say it should. Forget about the fact that they’ve made more money that God. When is it enough. Never I guess.

    • Ted Lawrence says:

      If you think there is a better way, you are welcome to start a league and try and get it going and a lot of these schools could be pressured to leave the NCAA and go their own way if even a large minority of people thought players should be paid. You forget that getting a chance at a college education is an honor that most people don’t get and that is what the reward is. If it’s all about football, they should go somewhere else to play.

  7. Mike says:

    It is a tough call to see some athletes benefit from, I don’t know if loopholes is the right word, but taking advantage of what is there for some but not for others. Maybe a flat stipen for each player is the way to go. I don’t know if there is a right or wrong answer? One thing I do know is what one gets, all should at least have those opportunites made available to them.

  8. Zack says:

    After reading the article and the comments, it seems like the article should be “Football Players COULD Reive UP-TO $17k in Cash, where 11k is spent immediately on Room & Board”

  9. Brian says:

    @Anon

    What on earth are you talking about? It has nothing to do with being white or black. There’s a difference between poor and middle class. and there’s a difference between being good enough to get a scholarship and not good enough to get a scholarship. None of that has anything to do with race.

    • Everett Darnell Williams says:

      “being good enough to get a scholarship ”

      Good enough at what is the question? Ball or academics, the latter is my bet. It’s not fare to those who are in collage to learn, not as a stepping stone to the PROS and it MAKES me sick. As an African American, our kids had to have the grades to attend collage. We, their parents, didn’t have the opportunity but we made sure that our children did. Collage is for learning, but some idiots get a free ride because they play ball. it’s just not right.

      • CURRENT STUDENT ATHLETE says:

        STUDIES SHOW THAT THOSE “IDIOTS” aka STUDENT ATHLETES, MAKE BETTER GRADES THAN THOSE THAT STUDENTS MAKE. AND THE DROP OUT RATE IS WAY HIGHER FOR A STUDENT THAN IT IS FOR A STUDENT ATHLETE
        AND I THINK IT IS CALL COLLEGE, ….BUT WERE THE “IDIOTS”

  10. LA says:

    I work at a very prominent BCS school where the players are feed in a brand new and football only cafeteria after every practice and game. There is no exception spared for these players, and also basketball, football, and hockey players get to eat for free in the Universities Student Union. Many of these athletes, including freshmen, live off campus. The catch is one of the players family buys the housing (house or apartment) and charges next to nothing for the other athletes to live there.

    My school is also an Adidas sponsor school and the amount of clothing that the varsity and club sports receives is unbelievable! One of the teams is even sponsored by a very prominent nutrition company based out of Los Angeles and receives products that are only available to them and one other professional team.

    Paying student athletes will only cause more problems amongst student athletes, recruits, Universities as a whole ,and the NCAA.

  11. Drenen Tucker says:

    DI only allows for 80 scholarships for football. The overall roster maxes at 120. DII allows 36 scholarships and DIII allows 0.

  12. Lori M says:

    My daughter graduated from a SEC school. Being poor has nothing to do with it. She changed her address from home to her university city apartment and became instantly eligible for Pell Grants because she no longer lived with Mom and Dad.

    And @David, oil companies make billions every quarter, what percentage do they pay their employees?

    • Hugh says:

      Once again, 60,000 people aren’t coming to see Exxon employees make gas. So the analogy doesn’t work.

    • Neal says:

      Even the most profitable corporations usually pay out 50% of revenue in salaries. Those with specialized skills make more and I would consider the ability to play sports at a high level a specialized skill.

      If the schools even put 10% of revenues toward some form of monetization (stipend, pension, whatever) it would be a huge step forward and would help a lot of poor kids that play for 4 years then have to go back to their home towns with only the skill to pump gas or pack groceries.

      • Brett says:

        The point is to get an education SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO PUMP GAS!!!! It’s not that difficult to understand. If the athlete chooses to take advantage of it or not is their own choice. Stop blaming the system and put some responsibility back on the kids. They are in college to GROW UP.

        • Bobby says:

          The point is to get an education? Imagine that you trained since childhood to be a master chess player, or tennis player, or pianist, or actor. You may earn a living with those skills even before adulthood, let alone after. Once you are an adult you may choose to go to college or you may choose to pursue your profession.

          If one trained since childhood to be a professional football player the NCAA has a virtual monopoly one the pre-professional path. Some students may want the education, some may not, but there is not much of a choice now is there?

          One can debate whether or not student-athletes should be paid, or if an minor league football league would be successful. However to say that the point of these athletes going to whatever college recruited them is to get an education is to misunderstand the situation.

  13. flintharris says:

    Drenen…the scholarship limit is 85 in Division 1 (aka FBS). 105 can be invited to fall camp in August, and rosters do top out around 120…you are right.

  14. Dan says:

    I 100% agree that a student athlete should not be paid by the college. However, why is it illegal for people outside the college to give money? I understand the potential for point shaving increases when money is given, but that risk is there even when it is illegal. I don’t see why college athletes can’t do appearances for money, commercials, or put his name in a video game. Is it because he’s an “amateur?” Then my question would be, why is sports the only place where you have to be an amateur? James Franco was enrolled at a college taking classes, and he was still able to do movies for money. Why isn’t there a rule against that?

    • Ken says:

      The problem with allowing outsiders provide cash is because it would increase the gap between the haves and the have nots. Wyoming fans can’t afford to pay as much as USC fans. As for your James Franco comparison, did Columbia compete in film competitions where thousands of fans paid hundreds of dollars to watch? Probably not a relevent comparison then. People love to point at small schools and ask why they struggle, but fail to realize all of the obstacles they have to overcome just to get close. We don’t need to make it worse.

  15. Dan says:

    It’s amazing how people are given a great opportunity, but still find something to complain about. If the current athletic scholarship system is such a raw deal, why don’t they just decline the offer and get a real job? When student athletes starting thinking they bigger than program, they need to be shown the exit door. A football program like the UofA has been around a long time, and will continue to thrive with or without the pampered ones. The fact that this topic is even an issue is a joke.

  16. Zack says:

    “When student athletes starting thinking they bigger than program, they need to be shown the exit door.”

    But let the coaches, ADs, and boosters stay right?

  17. Chris Camper says:

    The phrase that stuck with me throoughout the reading of this article was “ample resourses to ‘survive’.” Why is it that the stars that support the system have to survive when there are millions to make? Slavery was abolished some time ago. People say that these kids are paid with an enducation, but the people on the inside know, that’s not the reality. Those kida are pushed to take easy courses so that their time can be spent on Fottball. Pay those kids!

    • Everett Darnell Williams says:

      They take easy courses because they’re to stupid to pass anything period. They will get pay in the pros later if good enough, just be grateful your there because your to stupid otherwise.

  18. chris freeman says:

    Lets imagine Austin, TX (where I played basketball). It’s a little mote expensive in Austin so $1000 a month for a 2BR is about right. So that leaves give or take $950. $250 for a car, $75 for gas, $75 for insurance, $75 for electricity (even split between 2 guys), $75 for phone, $50 cable/internet, $150 for food (if you live off campus you do not eat in the dining halls as much as you insinuate), $100 entertainment (simple things like movies and going out to eat, not to mention drinking. But 100 is LOW), $100 miscellaneous (cab rides, parking tickets, paying for parking around campus, spending money on your girlfriend, possibly taking care of a dog), $25 traveling home during breaks, $50 paying debts (odds are they’ve bought a laptop, tv, couch, bed or something they have to pay off monthly)…all of that comes to $950 exactly and real life situations never work out as clean as I described so I’m sure there would be added expenses and that $950 itself breaks the bank so any extra money would be money they didn’t have. So what you’re logic and numbers just don’t add up in real life. These kids shouldn’t have to live like they are broke because if they weren’t playing football they could work to supplement the school loans they are taking out to pay for school. A $250 car is a $10,000 car so its that’s not over the top by any means. None of the expenses I explained are close to outrageous or living the high life at all.

  19. chris freeman says:

    In regards to the Exxon comment. Metaphorically, the players are not the employees, they are the gas. They are the product. So peoples argument about players being an employee and how they themselves as making 42K a year as an employee makes NO sense at all.

  20. Paul says:

    I wasn’t a college athlete. I was a college musician, and I went on several tours playing in the orchestra, missing several days of school and making a name for my program. We went international. We did nationally-televised events. It was all, essentially, the same plight of the college athlete, except they do it extra-curricularly, while I did it all within my degree program. If you pay the college athlete, then I’m holding my hand out looking for my pay too, as should the cheerleaders and marching bands who are also helping to make the athletic program popular and wealthy.
    Besides, Title IX will never allow the athlete to be paid, because the girls rifle team athlete will demand pay just as much as the boys wrestler and the girls golfer and the boys football player.

  21. Mark says:

    Thank you David AND Margie !!!!! Pell grants are NOT that easy to get . And they do not pay on time if you are lucky enough to get it. The key phrase is “up to 5000″ which means you could get $75.00 if both parents are working or you could get $1500.00 if you’ve gone to 3 or 4 different high schools and both parents are on crack and you have no legal guardian .Never seen ANYONE get the full $5k.
    Next we have the Student Athlete Opportunity Fund ….. Give me a BREAK !!!!! Not only is this a joke but a FUND has to have funds to start with to give anyone an opportunity. This charade usually has some sort of satirical essay written by the student and then has to be selected by some stuffy board who has never even met the student.If you don’t win you’re SOL and is not even worth mentioning to the student since it is state regulated and all states don’t recognize this fund. Sorry , Flint this is 2011 not 1965 . Stakes are much higher and living off school spirit rah rah just doesn’t cut it anymore.

  22. flintharris says:

    Mark…I have seen football players right and left get full Pell Grants. They are not rare in major BCS programs. You must have the Student Athlete Opportunity Fund (SAOF) confused with something else. The SAOF is money that each school can choose how to use (within NCAA guidelines are referenced in the article). The figures I am aware of are close to $200,000 per school per year. This is money the NCAA gives back to students, as they will tell you in commercial after commercial during the NCAA tournament. SAOF money is awarded by upper level administrators on each individual campus. So, the people awarding the money do know the students.

    • Adrian says:

      This article is ridiculous. The title is extremely misleading, as well as being factually inaccurate.

      I played D1 football at a well respected institution in the midwest. I don’t think I saw a single player get the full Pell Grant figure of $5,500 that you posted above. Now, it’s entirely possible that some did, and perhaps far more did than I know of. I never did and I came from a single-mother family in which there were 3 other children in the house at the time. My mother worked 3 jobs, and had to take loans from aunts and uncles to help with groceries while we were growing up. Our family household income at the time was ~$16,000, and yet the most I got in a year from Pell Grants was $3,500. Also, our room and board checks for athletes living off-campus averaged ~$650/month over my 5 years at the university (which, before a comment is made about inflation, ended in 2009). So, either you inflated your numbers, or I should have played at Arkansas, because we never saw figures over $900 (and our monthly rent rates were generally in the $350-$450 range as well). Now, I did utilize the $500 clothing stipend, and my tuition and fees, as well as books were covered, but I never, ever received $17,000 cash in any year I played while on scholarship. If you take our figures for room and board, the clothing stipend, and all the money I ever pulled out of the SAOF (which was $0 in 5 years, and I don’t remember anyone else using that except when there was a death in the family and they had to fly home), it comes out to $11,300. My rent over this time averaged $400/month, with cable and internet another $75, gas $100, utilities $85 (which puts us over $650/month already, so we’re getting into Pell Grant money, which remember, the most I ever received was $3,500/year, or ~292/month), miscellaneous (going out to eat, movies, etc.) $100, food $200. Those are fairly conservative, as that’s not taking into account a cell phone plan, car loan, car insurance, renter’s insurance (if your landlord required it), and we’re already at $960/month, and that’s more than I got per month from scholarship checks and Pell Grant money. Those estimates of monthly expenses were very conservative too. One night out every two weeks would take up the $100 miscellaneous expenses each month right there.

      This doesn’t even take into account that we, as football players (I can’t speak for athletes of other sports) spent ~50-60 hours per week practicing, lifting weights, watching tape, sitting in meetings, and having our entire weekend taken up with games. This is all on top of time spent going to class and studying. If I spent 60 hours a week at a $10/hr job, I could have made (assuming 1.5xhourly wage for overtime) $700/week, or ~$2,800/month. That’s $33,600/year. If I would have went that route, I wouldn’t have to worry about the arthritis I have in my right hand or my left shoulder from surgeries I had, both of which will surely cost me money in the future. Or the multiple concussions I suffered. Or the ligaments I tore in my left wrist and right ankle. Or the multiple sprains and strains and cuts and bruises that the average student never had to deal with.

      But you’re right, since we’re “all” rolling around with “$1,420″ in cold, hard cash each month. What’s the big deal?

      • flintharris says:

        Adrian,

        You have a well-written response. All I can share is what I experienced first hand in my nine years working inside two athletic departments at BCS universities. I understand this article does not encapsulate everyone, but it covers many student-athletes at big time universities, especially those in prominent roles. In closing, I am not saying student-athletes are rich, but if they spend their money wisely they can afford a pizza or to take date to the movies if they so choose.

      • Shari says:

        Adrian,
        I’m with you. My son plays football at a University in TN. Even after getting a 4000.00 Hope scholarship, a 2000.00 pell grant, and a 1500.00 Dean’s academic scholarship he is only getting 325.00 a month back to live on. This is with a “full ride” scholarship. That won’t cover his car payment and gas, let alone insurance. His father pays for those things. I am going to ask about the 500.00 for clothes because I didn’t know about it nor has it ever been mentioned. The 17000.00 cash this article talks about doesn’t seem to take into account things like utilities, a phone, car expenses, school supplies not covered (scholarship on covers books, not a back pack, paper, pens, pencils, notebooks etc.) or medical expenses if you needed to see a Dr or get a prescription. It also didn’t cover his pre-season football camp (500.00 that was required) or food for weekends when the school caf wasn’t open. If my son had a thousand a month to live on none of these things would be a problem, But he doesn’t. He is a red shirt freshman and will probably have to get a loan to cover his expenses even though he got 7500.00 in scholarship money. These kids should be paid and 10.00 an hour isn’t much for what they bring into the school. Kinda like a medical student in a residency. Their pay is low and the hours are long but at least they get paid enough to pay their bills. After their residency is when they make the big bucks!

  23. Greg says:

    My child can earn the same as these athletes by using only his brain. No physical work involved. On top of this he can get a job to make more while these athletes have to practice and stay physically fit. By the way my child can be fat and out of shape. They should get more to play.

  24. Bob says:

    I was reading a CNN article about the recent mess at Ohio State and was thinking about the same thing along these lines. As an ex Razorback I had a front row seat to some of these things. The fact of the matter is none of us were going hungry (free food), none of us were cold at night (free room), we were living life as celebrities around campus, 2 closets worth of free clothes, awesome trips, amazing adventures, all paid for. Not to mention the huge amount of stuff that bowl games gave us ( I love Capital One, haha ). We also would get money straight up for doing things that we were asked to go to. $100 for sitting through a 1 hour MADD talk? Don’t mind if I do.

    I don’t mind people arguing that we should have maybe got a flat stipend (that is the same at every DI college throughout the entire country), but comparing it to slavery is outrageous.

    Another reason that I haven’t seen touched on at all, is the fact that if players were paid, it would open a can of worms. Players would come to the schools that would pay them the most amount of money. Or Mr X would tell Blue Chip recruit Y, if you come to our school, I’ll pay you 100,000 for that sweatshirt. (extreme example but you get the point). And while many star players are getting money under the table, there are plenty of reasons to try and limit it

  25. UFR Sports says:

    Even with the $17,045 quoted here, the same college board cited in this article estimates the average cost per year at a state institution with in-state tuition rates at $19,388. So it looks like these kids do have something to gripe about.

    • UFR Sports says:

      like the author ur way over stating.

      bowl games do offer swag, but it’s no where near the thousands you’re proclaiming here. that’s a myth.

      In fact, most of the gifts don’t come up to even $1000 in value. http://www.totalprosports.com/2008/12/10/college-bowl-game-players-get-benefits/

      As far as all the free athletic gear, yeah that’s a perk. you can wear that stuff every where you go.

      you guys have no idea how things really are for a college football athlete. yes it comes with plenty of perks.

      but when everybody else is taking noon classes, including National Merit Scholars, these guys are getting up early, working out, going to film study and hitting practice.

      meanwhile the sec has a billion dollar TV contract between CBS and ESPN.

  26. Adam says:

    You’re also forgetting the thousands of dollars worth of “issue gear” (sweatshirts, t-shirts, socks, “UnderArmour,” etc.) that athletes receive annually, and sometimes seasonally; and the hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars worth of merchandise that they receive from playing in post-season tournaments and bowl games (in years past, players in even the dinkiest of bowls have received laptops, portable DVD-players, PS3′s, iPods, etc.).

  27. flintharris says:

    Adam…good point. I left those out because I was focused on cash/checks they get. Yes, especially at the big schools they get tons of great gear. The gifts at bowl games are nice too!

  28. flintharris says:

    UFR…the $17K does not even include tuition, books, and fees that are all completely paid for. The 17K is on top of all of those costs being taken care of.

    • UFR Sports says:

      flintharris, ur wrong. the first item on the list, the Pell Grant, goes to tuition first. And the Pell Grant takes into account any athletic scholarships for tuition. You don’t get all the Pell Grant money if you get a grant in aid from the school.

      Room and board come out of the Pell Grant and any other scholarship or grant monies. Same thing for books and supplies.

      Scholarship athletes get the same bills every other student does. It’s how the bills get paid.

      Again, the author makes it seem money is dripping off the walls. if it were that way, nobody would be paying players under the table. think about it.

    • flintharris says:

      UFR….I have worked in two athletic departments. At major BCS schools Pell Grants are not used for scholarship or room and board. It is money given directly to the students to use how they choose. At smaller schools, the Pell Grant is used to cover expenses (see comment #3).

      The point is there is enough money for athletes to buy a tank of gas. Now, if you want to pay them more because they generate more, that is a different discussion.

      • The Chairman says:

        From my own personal experience, I can tell you Pell grants go directly to the school. (At least they did when I went to college ten years ago). Now what some colleges can do is cut you a check with the net positive balance if there’s money left over after your fees are paid. But I’ve also seen it when the school keeps the money and deducts from your current scholarship.

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  30. UFR Sports says:

    “Tebow also addressed some hot issues, writing that the NCAA should consider paying college athletes (he said he had to scrimp to afford Christmas presents for his family even though the Florida athletic department was making plenty of cash)”

    • Jennifer says:

      Tebow was on The Daily Show yesterday and said that hetokd Urban Meyer he knew that the got a million dollars if they won the championship and that he would play harder for a cut of that mil..

  31. I’m one of those athletes, and from personal experience, lving on what we got was tough, but no tougher than other non-athletic students. Having said that, my memory of watching a roomate (who would later play in the NBA) struggle because of his family’s economic conditions, I wondered at the time why extra $$ couldn’t be given to cover other expenses? Everybody who has not “been there’ is an expert. I’ve been there, and I’m still not an expert! The NCAA scrutiny is breaucratic. Need I say more?

  32. Terrence says:

    First, this article is full of half truths. Not every student athlete gets a Pell Grant, and not every University provides summer room and board. Being a former college athlete I should know. I never qualified to get the Pell Grant, and I’ve never even heard of a “clothing fund” or a special assistance fund. I worked part time my whole college career. Maybe this is only true for the D1 colleges, but I know for a fact that at D2 schools we don’t get as much money for scholarships. Room and bored for a D1 athlete is totally different than a D2 athlete. From my experiences I was tight on money I never went without food because of careful planning. This article only speaks of a percentage of athletes that don’t manage their funds well. I had money to cover my food and bills.

    Do your research Flint Harris. I didn’t get help from anybody but myself. Tight on money yes, living with out no. Yes I survived, no I didn’t get $17,000 anually. I worked 4 days a week on top of everything.

  33. Sean says:

    I have done some calculations of a buckeye in conf. home game. 100K tickets sold @ $50ea = $5 mil/85 players = $58k+ per player. Each players total(4 yr.) tuition is paid in full after 2 in conf. home games.

    As the article states football players are paid well with the education they receive along with the other stated possible monies. However, the big institutions are making a killing.

    • JP says:

      Yeah, cause theres absolutely no other costs associated with football. these schools have to pay for travel, equipment, uniforms, medical, huge stadiums, practice facilities, recruiting trips to maintain their brand, etc etc. This argument is so silly to me. Universities in no way should pay a four year player money. The kid gets a free ride to school, the best facilities to train in, are treated like Gods, and other than injuries (insurance policies?) I cant see very many downsides. The schools can lose money with ease, and many of them all ready do. Im with the UK guy from above, although I despise the Wildcats, he makes some great points. Im a Tar Heel fan, a brand thats been established for a 3/4 of a century, a brand young basketball players want to play for, a brand that can improve their long term potential and often get them into the league or abroad making millions or hundreds of thousands. Seems like a good scenario to begin with. I dont see why somebody should get paid along with so many benefits when other college kids have to pay for an education and dont reap any of the other rewards. Bottom line is nobody is ever happy and if you arent happy go play abroad. Its a sad thing. I know I would love to be gifted enough to get an education at a good school for free and a chance to play at the next level all because Im good at a sport.

  34. jennika says:

    I am the parent of a third year football player.He went to a junior college where it was only an acdemic scholarship was paid for. Everything else dorm,books had to come out my pocket.He graduated with an associate degree. Now he is at D1A where it is a full scholarship I only pay dorm dep. this is his last year with economy being so back this is the first time i told him to apply for a loan to take some of the pressure off of me being a single parent it is hard. Although they might be granted the monies you say the school does not give them the monies they use it for something else but they are not given it in their pocket. My son di receive $350 in clothes allowance with the receipts that I kept when purchasing his clothes.All of them do not receive all those monies. Not at his school he plays in the NEC conference

  35. ashley says:

    First off, I have to say that I think the majority of the people on here are ridiculous! As a college student myself, I can say that I think it’s completely ridiculous to say that college athletes should be paid more money on top of going to school for free!! Yes, some of them are poor. But so are other college students and their parents! Our parents have to dish out money that they don’t have to pay for our education as non-student-athletes and we have to bust our butts to get good grades on top of working jobs to pay for clothes and food and transportation. We don’t have special funds to dab into whenever we feel like it. Football players have it easy, no matter what anyone says. I would KILL to have a full-ride to my dream school and I wouldn’t ask for another cent after getting it. I think people these days are ungrateful for what they have. You should be thankful you have families that support you and what you to do well and that your children have the opportunities given to them. It breaks my heart to see people being so selfish when there are other kids out there struggling a lot more than student-athletes, especially student-athletes from big name schools. I don’t mean to step on everyone’s toes, but I think you should look from other students’ points of view. Yes, the athletes put themselves in life-risking situations, but it’s their choice. Maybe they don’t do it because they love the sport but because they want to support their family as someone has pointed out or they want to get an education, whatever the reason, it is still their choice. If I was athletically gifted I would probably make the same choice, but I’m not. Does that mean I should have to struggle to get an education and survive in this world? No it doesn’t, and neither should student-athletes. But let’s not forget, I’m struggling to survive and I don’t get a full scholarship every year, yet I don’t ask for more money on top of the opportunity I’ve been given. Why should they??

    • Domo says:

      What you’re failing to realize is they have many foundations dedicated to the upkeep of their finances. Yea they get a full ride for athletics, but there’s also students getting full-rides for academics, I see no room for complaints, if you really REALLY wanted a scholarship, you would get them. There’s scholarships for everything, being left-handed, being a minority, being over 6 ft tall, being under 5 feet tall, they’re everywhere. I believe student-athletes shouldn’t get paid AND recieve a full ride to their school, but i believe EVERY student athlete should get a full ride, not just the ones that were at a good enough school to get noticed. I’m surviving at the University of North Carolina @ Charlotte solely from financial aid, most of which I’ll have to pay back, my grades weren’t good enough in high school to get a full ride, and they aren’t good enough now for scholarships. I’m a struggling college student same as the rest, but I have been to the practices of D-1 NCAA football teams and seen what they go through on a day to day basis, and it’s FAR worse than what I have to go through as only a student. What people are failing to realize is that they’re a student first, and then an athlete. They have to maintain AT LEAST a 2.5 to be eligible, and not every student-athlete majors in physical education or sport’s medicine. Outside of waking up between 4-5 A.M. for practice then going to class at 8, and practicing again at 5 P.M with workouts in between, and depending on the institution a late night practice as well, it gets hectic. That’s not even taking into account the fact that they have homework to do, classes to study for and exams to prepare for, just like every college student, they have the added stress of performing weekly, for a job field many hope to get into but few do, its an internship if you really think about it for the pros. Yea it’s their choice, but their not pampered in any form unless they’re a LeBron James, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton etc. They’re struggling to survive just like we are, so it’s really unfair to ridicule them without knowing the facts.

      P.S. I find this article to be rubbish, sorry

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  40. Dianne Johnson says:

    YOU need to be there as the player…THEN you have the right to vote…Unless you have walked in their shoes…or I might should have said practiced in their shoes I DON’T think you even have the right to an opinion !!!

  41. David S. says:

    what i wonder when as stated in this piece about all this free cash you’re saying they have, and all the things they are able to buy. how come we never hear about the women’s basketball player, or men track team member having their sweet 30-40k rides? and i wont even go into their multi thousand dollar’s worth of swag and tat’s. explain to me how one goes about taking the remaing 1000 dollars per month you say they have and paying utilities, food, and incidentals tp soap and shampoo isn’t exacty cheap on top of a car payment, insurance, not to mention 3-4 dollar a goallon gas?

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  43. Manager says:

    That is pretty eye opening for all of those constantly saying we should pay football players.

  44. For pay says:

    wat about all the student athletes that walk on that recieve no finacial aid. Do they have money i think not,i know this from my own personal expierence. How would you feel bringing in millions of dollars a year and maybe making $17000 a year to live off of. hmm if i can count right these athletes go to school full time and have practice, and train the rest of the day. I dont think that is even close to minimum wage.

  45. dmac says:

    The thought of paying college athletes completely baffled me. Scholarship athletes are receiving a free education, room and board, meal plan, etc. If they want extra money, they should do it the way every other student does. The school does not only give the athlete the scholarship, the player also gets the opportunity to showcase their talent on the college “stage.” A previous post listed living expenses for the athletes and a car was listed with rent for an apartment, cable/internet, parking… the school does pay for that. The do pay room and board = rent, utilities, internet. A car is a privilege the school doesn’t need to provide, especially when most schools have public trans. they will pay for. Playing football isn’t a job in college, but it gives you the opportunity to make it one. That is why there is professional sports. Do well in college and you will make plenty as a pro.

    • TMAC says:

      PLAYING FOOTBALL ISN’T A JOB?? PLEASE SMACK YOUR SELF.
      7AM – 1PM CLASSESE N EAT, 1:30PM – 7:30PM PRACTICE, 8PM -11PM STUDY N EAT.THEN START THE DAY OVER.

  46. Everett Darnell Williams says:

    Most of these athletes need to speak English, most of us think they’re stupid and are just there because they play ball well. It’s not fair to students that are in school to learn, to have some idiot that can’t speak English on TV for the world to see these bozos that can’t even speak. First thing the public thinks is they are stupid, and are just there to make money for the school. I bet most of these kids have someone take all their test for them, STOP all Athletics in school it’s for learning..

    I’m not educated, but i do know what school is for. My kids have collage diplomas that They and we are paying for because WE and THEY wanted better than their uneducated parents. One thing my parent’s demanded of us is that we speak English well so people wouldn’t think we were uneducated even if we weren’t. My poor departed mother God bless her soul would say “quit sounding like an uneducated idiot, we DON’T talk like that in this house”.

  47. I am a student athlete and what most people don’t understand is we work hard for our benefits and it is not easy. The average person on campus isn’t expected to get up at 5am to practice or 7:30am lift. The average college student isn’t expected to make team practices, team meetings, and keep your grades up. Most people may think teachers let us slide because we are athletes. Ha-ha this is a myth we are actually picked on by some teachers because of the dumb athlete stereo type. While the average student may have time to work we do not. So some of us adopt the motto “I will sleep when imp dead” because we have expenses that go beyond room and board. There are the little things like have a cell phone, gas money, car insurance and many other expenses that our parents can’t cover for us. Of course we can’t cover them because we don’t have the time to work unless we don’t want to sleep I mean who needs time to sleep right. OH and the Pell grant that I get goes to clothes but it’s not $500 dollars that went down which I don’t mind because every little bit helps. If I should people my schedule they would wonder how I am still going and how every second of my day is planned. I wake up at 4am and I don’t go to sleep until about 11pm at night. I complain because if you ask most student athletes why they quit their team you will most likely hear “I needed to get a JOB. Not every student athlete gets a full ride some of us get partial and others just get nothing. Unless you have lived the life of a student athlete you can’t judge us. I don’t know how I will continue athletics myself this season because I have to get a night job which leaves not time for sleep. A lot of athlete’s burn out from trying to be superman/women (me) and do it all and it’s not possible.

  48. When someone has walked a week in my division 1 student athlete shoes and is still standing at the end of the week then they can at least state their opinion until then …

  49. Mike Murphy says:

    Division 1 students should be allowed to sell used clothing to fund their personal needs

  50. Mike Murphy says:

    Stadiums aren’t cheap, if Universities had to pay football players, stadiums would fall down in disrepair.

  51. Dont Be A Hater says:

    Comming from a student who is a D1 football player, and is on pell grant, I can honestly say that all of the people Don this form who have never played college football at the division one level should not comment on the financial status of those who do. Once you have gone thru camp, summer training, and year round physical practices, then I want to hear your oppenions. Until then, keep your biases oppenions to yourself. Like they say, “Don’t judge a man until you’ve taken a walk in his shoes.”

  52. dizzy says:

    Face it, the only real reason sports exist is because there are just that many people with nothing else in their life willing to spend money watching a bunch of homos fondle each other on a field. Doesn’t matter who is on the team, all that matters is the “fan” who still had nothing to do on his off time but go to a football game with other lifeless people will go see the game. fans live through the players because they have no life of their own. when their team wins, and the players get millions or the students get a free ride even though the fan gets nothing and has to go back to their shitty life, the fan feels like they accomplished something just because their favorite team won. The fans feel as if they have won something as well. So when you take that many people with no life, that’s how many sports fans you have. Take that number of lifeless people, multiply that by the price of a ticket, hot dog, beer, jersey and a belt buckle and you now know where their millions come from. So if you are a fan and complain about their salaries or their free rides, shut your mouth because you are the cause. By the way, I hate sports… All of them.

  53. REg says:

    I am currently a athlete at a d1 program on full Ride. LOL I want some of this extra money everyone is talking about.And also I feel like everyone thinks football is just fun and games. for my teammates right now it is life. Busting your behind in the weight room hails in comparison to busting your behind a desk.If it wasnt for football, because of my background I would have nothing.

  54. Donna says:

    First off this person is stupid their math is wrong. It would take 5 weeks to make 1800 not 50 for 1420 and second these guys work harder than most people do in their lives and only get a small portion of what the school makes off of them!

  55. Doug says:

    Very few schools athletic departments actually turn profit, so how do the kids make the school money? They should not get payed. Get a summer job and use that money during the school year if you want some dam pizza or burger king. They also get so much free shit from the school for just being on the football team, such as team shoes, shirts, pants, sweatshirts, hats tobogans, etc. stop crying

  56. Richard says:

    What about medical expenses? How do those factor in?
    I also thought athletes received a food stipend on road trips. Not to mention pre- and post-season competition where the players receive gift baskets.

  57. Domo says:

    I’m a college student that’s trying to walk on and play football for my school, I personally feel that student-athletes should not be paid for their services, but i also believe that every athlete in every sport on every school should be rewarded with a full-ride just for being apart of the team. The fact that everyone on a specific team does not get a scholarship is bogus. That means that some are only privileged to play for the school an not worry about finances while others, on the same team still have to pay. It should be an all-or-nothing system where every player goes to school for free, and that should be their only reward, if outside influences want to feed them in their home, so be it, that’s their personal lives and their personal money, but as much time and effort that student-athletes put into their sport at the collegiate level is ridiculous, but the only compensation they should receive is free schooling.

    • john says:

      then any horrible person would can walk on to a team and just ask for a full scholarship, if that were to happen. obviously you didn’t get a scholarship for a reason.

  58. johnny harris says:

    I like to kwon how I can get a free room board stutent athletes scholarships am go to golleege dnt have the money to pay for room am board please help me thank you

  59. JP says:

    This guy is a joke. Do you know that they money for room and board doesnt get paid to you, that covers the coast of meal plans and stuff like. You dont get that money. Thats like saying i got a $10,000 full scholarship. So i go to school now and the school gives me extra money for something covered in my scholarship.

  60. Heres an idea i didn’t see discusssed…COACHES CAN TERMINATE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR ANY REASON AT THE END OF 1 YEAR!!!!! It’s not a four year deal. It is 1.

  61. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about… They’re scholarship isn’t paid directly to them, it covers school. The living necessities aren’t. Unlike normal students, college football and men’s basketball players don’t have the time to go out and get a job because of the time commitment. There is no time during the season, and there’s no time during the summer either, because they are partaking in summer school and voluntary workouts to stay in shape. I’m doing a senior thesis on this very topic, it’s called “Students? or Employees?” I’m going to send it to ESPN and have it published.

    Did you know the NCAA makes over $15 billion off of college men’s basketball and men’s football alone? And ontop of that the NCAA makes over $4 billion annually off of the NCAA football video game. The players don’t recieve any of this.

  62. erik says:

    As garrison said, this writer clearly knows nothing on the topic he’s speaking on. First off, room and board are part of the school’s cost, just like tuition and a meal plan. A full scholarship pays for all school cost, hence full scholarship; an academic scholarship includes the same thing, tuition, books, and room and board. So automatically, that erases $11,040 out of this “grand total”. Another thing he is incorrect about is the pell grant. A pell grant is awarded to students through their financial aide to pay for school cost. If all of the school cost are taken care of, then there is no pell grant or any other financial aide given. This erases the $5,500 out of the “grand total,” leaving us with only $500. Now I, a former college football player, have never heard of a clothing fund, but lets just say this is true at some schools, the players recieve $500. That means that this guy has tryed to make you all believe that athletes recieve $16,540 for their expense that they actually do not.
    These students are not paid for their services or performance on the field. As the NCAA’s rule book says,they are amateurs, meaning they can not be paid for performance or through marketing. Although, video games use the player’s jersey numbers and cite their accolades from the previous season, making it clear that it is that actual player, the player’s name can not be used because he is an amateur. The same as with the college football jerseys with players numbers on them. The jersey represents the actual player but the player’s name can not be displayed on these jerseys. Millions, even billions of dollars are knowingly made off of these players every year, but these players do not and can not recieve a penny of it.
    Not to mention that most D1 college football programs generate any where from $35 million-$90 million in revenue every year for their schools. These players are essentially employees, being the main reason that these stadiums are packed every game day, holding 60,000 plus fans. The fans come to see the players, they do not come to the games because the school’s architectual program is ranked number 1 in the nation. With out the time to work a part time job, these athletes do not have money for every day expenses like toiletries, gas, and even rent. this is the reason that these players receive stipends for living expenses. They recieve $2,000 a year through stipends to cover these things. Being that the athlete has two full time jobs, being a student and a football player, all with out a pay check, this is why they are provided these stipends

  63. flintharris says:

    Garrison and Erik…I hate to tell you guys, but football student-athletes at BCS schools receive housing checks if they live off campus, which most do after freshman year, and this covers room and board. I do not mention tuition, books, and fees because the student-athletes never see that money, but they do see the housing money if they live off campus. Pell grants can be used however the recipient wants as seen in this link from the federal government question #15 https://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/students/english/faqs.jsp#Que15

    and people on full scholarships can and do still get Pell grants.

    Erik…the fact that you have never heard of the clothing fund lets me know two things: you did not play at a BCS school or you were not on scholarship. No shame in that, but it is evident you do not understand how it works at the big boy schools. If you want to argue that players should be paid, that is fine, but my information is accurate. I have watched player after player pick up housing checks and Pell Grant checks in the athletic department offices, which is all within the rules.

  64. Brian Keith Mason says:

    First of all, why is it that we continue to act as though ths athletic scholarship is in and of itself a license to print money. The majority of these players are restricted (both intellectually and by rule) from major that are academically challenging enough to result in the sure-thing job that we imply be overvalueing the athletic scholarship. Plus, the fact is, no matter what we ant to say, the are providing a professional service in the same way a research professor provides a legacy contribution to the institution. Pay these athletes…and don’t give me that gender equity/sport equity argument because the numbers don’t mesh. Wasn’t slavery repealed?

  65. [...] “student-athlete” has long been examined, criticized, sympathized with, and called a liar.  But only recently is he being studied at the academic level: Billy Hawkins’ 2010 book, [...]

  66. jackson says:

    football players do not paid

  67. ANDI says:

    I am risking the thought of sounding like an idiot here but I have to question if the $8,024- Fall and Spring Room and Board is included in the 17,040 grand total if a player has a scholarship it is covered but is not additional money. It appears the room and board is added in twice. I ask because my son did not receive a scholarship and is also attending for the purpose of getting an education..but since we will have to pay does that mean he may be eligible for the other assistance as a student athlete. We could definitely use any additional assistance along with the two 500.00 awards he has won.

    • Knitin says:

      Some schools even require students to live on campus which is extremely more costly and non maneuverable. Meaning students don’t have the freedom to shop around and find a more economical way to spend there room and board.

  68. David says:

    I’m sorry, but your rationale is pretty narrow minded. You are lumping ALL scholarship athletes into this category when that’s really not the case. Trust me, not everybody qualifies for a Pell Grant. I did not qualify for a pell grant, so remove that $6K you have in your calculation.

    It has been 12 years since I was out of college, so I will use your $11,040 for room and board. I lived in a house off campus with 5 other guys and I recall my rent back in 2000 being $450/ month.

    That would leave me with only $5,640 for the entire year for other expenses like food, gas, clothes, etc.
    Since I lived at the University year round going to school and training for football, divide that number by 365.

    Off my scholarship, I had a whopping $15.45 per day to live off. I believe it changed in 2007, but when I was in school, scholarship athletes were NOT permitted to have a job. You had no way of making $$$ other than your scholarship.
    I would like to see you live comfortably off $15.45 a day. With gas at $3.75 a gallon, I can imagine it being a struggle nowadays for scholarship athletes to fill up their vehicles.

    • mike says:

      I didnt see your post. I just typed the same thing. lol

    • Kevin says:

      $15.45/day or $432/mo is a decent chunk of change when you take into consideration that you do not have to eat out of that money as you get a meal plan with the scholarship. Furthermore, you would have more than that $432/mo if you lived on campus. Also, the average gas tank is 16 gallons; thus, $60 to fill up the tank. What athlete drives so much that they are filling up their tank? Assuming a car can get 18mpg (conservative estimate), that is 288 miles per tank. Thus, you would be able to fill up your car 7 times a month, and in doing so you would have to drive over 2,000 a month while living on or near campus. While understandably funds can get tight for a student-athlete, they are better of than what advocates for paying players would have you believe, and IMHO they are better off than most students that are not athletes.

  69. Matt says:

    Seriously, these kids get full ride plus their Pell Grants, Parent PLUS loans, ect… Yet myself, as a math and physics student, one who CLEPed into Nuclear Physics, Quantum Physics, and Calc 3, I have to work 2 jobs and struggle to stay ahead of my bills… As an undergrad. Tell me, where is my help? Where is the aid for those of us who can’t throw a ball?

    • Jon says:

      Do something that makes some money! Either create something from your talent or realize you really don’t have enough money or talent to justify the amount of money you are spending on your diploma.

      The kids who got the full ride just don’t throw a ball they throw it better that 99.0% of everyone who can throw one. They are the best…period. They generate 10-50 times the amount of money that is given to them.

      If you become one of the top 1% of Nuclear Physicists or produce something that generates millions when you are in school you will get your money immediately. There is no limit in the amount of money a student can earn from a product or patent they develop in school.

    • Adam says:

      I’m with you on this. Ted Lawrence made the point that fans like the fact that they feel they are supporting students who play athletics and wouldn’t be as interested in a semi-pro league.
      I’ll speculate on that assertion: I think that fans enjoy more than just the fact that the athletes themselves are students, but also the fact that the team represents an entire academic institution. The significance of that distinction may not be obvious, but combine that thought with the line of discussion about acknowledging an individual’s contribution to the bottom line:
      These academic institutions wouldn’t exist without the thousands of students (422,267 in Fall 2012 across all of the SEC universities) per year who have attended those institutions over the many years. The vast majority of those students have paid their tuition, directly contributing to the existence of those schools. Some even continue to support the school as alumni.

      So if we’re going to talk about taking a chunk of those billions of dollars that the NCAA has and redistributing it to help those who contribute to the bottom line, how about using some of that to subsidize tuition for all students?

  70. A CURRENT FOOTBALL PLAYER says:

    wow they had almost $1,000 left over. that is about how much we get in one check at our school. so after rent (which average of what the football players is about $475 and this places they stay aren’t so nice) that leaves a rough $525 left over. which leaves about $17 a day for food. this is with out taking transportation money out and money to go see a new movie once in a while. and football [players don’t eat like normal people. so explain

  71. XII says:

    This is highly inaccurate… Coming from a 4 yr NCAA starter on scholarship.

  72. M Odell says:

    While an interesting read, your data would be alot more believable and valuable if you had cited even ONE source. For all I know, you made all this up.

  73. mike says:

    The writer of this story assumes that everyone gets a Pell Grant. This is not true. If the Pell Grant is out, then that leaves a total of 4,204.00 (500.00 for clothes and the rest from housing allowance) cash for the Fall and Spring Semester after paying rent. He makes no mention of utilities of said apartment. I calculate that to be 150.00 a month for one person. We are now left with 2,854.00 for 9 months. Thats less than 10 dollars a day left. This guy didnt even add the expenses of a car in the equation.

  74. Jon says:

    Okay! So I was a full scholarship football player to fully disclose my position. I was not an English major and I do not have the time to proof this so I apologize for the lack of proper grammar. I am a numbers guy!
    My family was not poor but certainly not rich. Both my parents were employees of the postal service, making modest income but certainly enough to live well, in a rural setting. Growing up we had what we needed and my parents saved considerably for school and retirement. However with three kids all going to college and with little to know financial aid all the financial obligations fell on their shoulders.

    I attended a major university and Pell grants are only allocated to the VERY poor. I had several teammates that received Pell Grants but they were the kids that came from families that couldn’t even support themselves never mind their child in school. I unfortunately, was not eligible for any additional financial aid. I also wasn’t allowed to work….wait let me clarify. You can work during the summer if you can find a job that will work around your 40-50 hour a week, workout schedule and add an additional summer class so you can have a lighter load during the season. Remember if you are playing division one football you are putting in 40-60 hours of work on the football field or in the offices during the school year. Then add in at least 30 hours of school work. That is if you have a major that is not as intense, as engineering or business. Tack on another 10-15 hours if you are working towards a difficult degree. This is why tutors are available to student athletes. There is really, no time to set up study groups.

    So obviously working is out. I tried to do it once…I worked for a national credit card company soliciting credit cards and balance transfers for affluent individuals across the country. I missed a few workouts and tape sessions and was chastised and pushed back on the depth chart for a short period of time. Maybe you could say it’s the coach’s fault for taking that stance? I can’t though! How can you blame a coach who is getting paid very well(6 to 7 figures), who has a family to provide for and has certain expectations from the University to adhere to…WIN! There is no way to blame those coaches that aren’t thrilled that you’ve missed workouts or tape sessions and are not properly prepared? As a student athlete your coach’s livelihood and family depends on your preparation and performance on the field. Not to mention most of the University or College’s budget, for all general purposes. We balance the budget for most of the major universities. Without us every single student would be worse off. Either financially or educationally or both! A quick example below… The numbers are all found from Forbs articles.

    Ex. Ohio State’s gross revenue generated by tuition: $53 million
    Football Program Gross Revenue: $49 million
    Basketball Program Gross Revenue: $64 million

    5 or 10 grand a year to each athlete, maybe they deserve it and maybe they deserve more?

    Do students get paid for their class work? I love bringing this example up to people who have the stance that Flint does. My sister is a Harvard/MIT joint MBA graduate. So she has a decent amount of muscle between her ears. :) She has a couple of friends that created a nanotech product while going to school at MIT and it has become very profitable. They became millionaires in school and got an a on their project. They continue to get paid to this day from that product they developed with the universities resources. They do not get to keep their patents on the product but any revenue generated off of the product or the sale of the patents they have obtained, is split between them and the school. This happens regularly at MIT by the way. How is this any different than an athlete generating millions off their talent and hard work and getting a piece?

    So I guess to get to the point in a roundabout way I didn’t have to pay a dime for school and I still had several thousand dollars in student loans. Why? My family didn’t have the money to send me. I mean I could’ve stayed in my dorm and done nothing but study business and football but what kind of college experience would that of been. There is no aid allocated to student athletes to get a beer or a pizza. Or heaven forbid take a girl out to a nice dinner! Now I know once you sign a letter of intent you give up a lot of freedoms but every now and then I think it should be possible for a 20 year old who generates millions for a University to have some fun or take a good looking girl out to Olive Garden without having to take out a student loan!

    To me the loans I took were worth every penny I have paid. It would have been nice to graduate without them though. I think I earned that and then some!

  75. Alison says:

    David (March 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm) you’re absolutely right! NCAA rules did not allow jobs back then and it was a struggle to live off $640.00 a month with rent, food and basic hygiene items taking all your money. We all leaned on one another and were thankful.
    I’m tired of hearing people crying and saying “Tell me, where is my help? Where is the aid for those of us who can’t throw a ball? I have to work 2 jobs” I’m sorry you cant throw a ball, don’t take it out on the people that can. The schools use these athletes to make money and these athletes are entitled to a piece of that. Oh and JOB?? Being an athlete is their job and unless you’re a true athlete you will never understand the meaning of that job.
    Also, for the ones that are complaining, maybe there will come a day when your child is offered a “free ride”… since its so unfair are you going to tell your kid to turn it down? I hope you do tell them to turn it down, or else what would that make you???????

  76. Kevin says:

    The problem that arises if athletes are paid in addition to their scholarships, grants, etc would be rising tuition. First off, a college will not be able to pick and choose who they pay. They ca’t decide to pay the revenue raising sports (football and basketball players) and just stick it to everyone else because then we will undoubtedly get into a Title IX/Civil Rights issue.

    Arkansas has roughly 463 student athletes; thus, even if all student-athletes are paid an additional $2,500 stipend (undoubtedly, football and bball players will want more) that is an extra $1.16 million each year. With tuition increasing at an absurd rate, that extra cost will only lead to steeper tuition increases.

    I do believe athletes should be allowed to sell their autographs, but I understand how that can be a slippery slope with boosters pay9ing players under the guise of “autograph revenue.”

    Nonetheless, based on the numbers in this article, an additional $17k/yr not including scholarship value is not bad. Heck, in college I never had $500 to go spend on clothes, and I certainly never had close to the $1,000/month of discretionary income. Instead I worked 2 jobs, went to school full time, and had a little bit extra to grab a drink or two on one of my few “days off.”

    I completely understand the argument about how athletes bring millions of dollars to the school in revenue, but that doesn’t mean the athletes should get a chunk of that. Rather, in a perfect world, the school should put that money back into the school where it will help ALL students by providing better facilities and lower tuition.Consider this: if a student were to get something published or do something academically that brings money to the university, the student likely does not see a dime. Granted, one or a handful of non-athlete students likely won’t bring in $10million, but that is not the point.

  77. Corrina says:

    Being mom of D1 football player…. I know this is not so…. Maybe if you qualify for all this grant money… But if you don’t … Not even close!

  78. hhgthhrth says:

    The average coach gets paid at the least one hundred thousand a year and that includes medical.I didn’t here you talk about there medical plan you failed to state whether there medical is attached to this$17000 you speak of as if its enough money to pay your bills. And nobody told you to live where ever you do if you are working two jobs to pay a collage degree off you should look at a better career.

  79. Knitin says:

    This fails to realize that while the poorest students are taken care of. Y the pell grants and the rich ones can depend on theeirparents the middle class kids do not have either. The small stipend barely pays for food in most cases since students in the dorms do not have kitchens. I know many athletes at my school who cannot afford to buy hygienic supplies such as soap because things are so tight. One kid is in a family of twelve whose dad makes around 80k. No one can argue that his parents could afford to give him extra cash. In most cases it’s the blue collar white kids who are struggling.

  80. Clay says:

    17000? Let’s break that down. First of all, let’s get rid of the Pell grant money since most players don’t get that because they come from lower middle class and middle class families…..so…..gongo. Clothing money and other moneys from general funds? Gongo! I’ll guarantee you that there is a lot of dipping that goes on with that money and very few of players see it, except for maybe a star player. So let’s work with the 12,000 dollars that remain.
    Rent in a middle class neighborhood, which by the way, is where most university campuses are. $1000 a month. Car payment for a cheap car is $350. Insurance is $100. Clothing, and don’t be a dip, we’re not going to do the Wal-Mart thing here….is that where you shop, by the way? Clothing $1,000 a year. Gas $1500. Other bills $1500. Unforseen costs $600. Phone (God forbid that they should have a phone. What do they think they are, a bunch of primadonna’s?) $1,000. Utilities $1500. For a grand total of $24,500. Yes, Holy Turf guy, it is not 1983 anymore when you could live off of $12,000 a year.

  81. Mitty says:

    Let’s cut to the Chase. For one lets make correction on Scholarships. There are Full Scholarship, Partial Scholarship and Non Scholarship Athletes. Secondly, most advisors do not Educate the Athlete on what Financial Resources are available to that Athlete whether it be Football or any other Sport for that Matter. Thirdly, how many College Teams take their teams to Buffets and never give the athletes the Stipend they are suppose to receive for Away Games. This is because it more money in whoevers pocket at the end of day, and surely not the Athletes. Next, how about Educating Athletes that do not qualify for Pell Grant because parents salary is Higher than Criteria to qualify, educate them on other financial resources they may can qualify for. For example, Last Name, Left Handed etc. Finally, I don’t believe Players should be paid but I definitely feel High Profile Athletes should receive Royalties on Apparal that are sold by theses Big Name Apparal companies Because contrary to Popular Belief a Given Name of a Player is Intellectual Property if your want to talk about BRANDING.

  82. B.B.H-P says:

    About 90% of this forum is filled with the most disgustingly spoiled individuals I have ever had the misfortune of coming across in one sitting. First, I want to address this poor-mouthing BS going on. Surviving life does not mean you must be fashion savvy or have entertainment at all.

    I will break this down to you people like this…blind, elderly, and disabled people who worked and paid taxes throughout their lives are doomed to living on less than $10,000 per year all over the state of Arkansas! You people make me want to vomit. If these people, with their enormous expenses for just sustaining life can make it, so can a bratty athlete.

    Now for my second point: scholarships should be reserved for “scholars”, hence the name. I don’t believe college should be for everyone; only those with the aptitude. Many athletes don’t fall into that category and must rely on key professors “cooking” their grades.

    I’m sure you can plainly see from the athlete responses that we’re not talking Einstein-types here. And for those who want to suggest that they don’t have to be geniuses because few people are, you should understand that they should at least be able to formulate a proper sentence. Do you honestly believe that what you’ve seen here commands the title and award of “scholarship”?

    No, I don’t feel sorry for them. Nor do I feel sorry for any student who gets financial aid of any kind, from any source, by means other than scholarly aptitude. This is part of the cause of the degree being devalued. Everybody and their dogs have degrees, deserving or not, because our society thinks everybody must have a degree and we’re willing to figure out a reason to give the money to make it happen.

  83. Speaking as a former NCAA starting student athlete at league level D-1 pack 12 competition. I speak from experience these players are bringing in not millions but billions of dollars nationwide each year. Yes the universities are entitled to a large cut of the profits maybe even the lion’s share, however not to give the players more than what they’re getting now is the closest thing to slave labor since the imprisonment of the blacks in the Jews as slaves. it’s fundamentally wrong and retarded in its thinking and needs to change. Ergo the resend court’s decision to pay northweste Student-athletes ass union employees,Bravo.

    Wow, Brainstorm. Look out here comes justice.

  84. Marcus says:

    They VOLUNTEER so that have they opportunities down the road! They get even more than I thought for volunteering! If you’ve got a job–though–and they won’t give you a raise–even though you’re one of the main cogs in the wheel–you have to go elsewhere or start your own company. The law allows companies to pay people minimum wage–if they wanted to. So, as a paid worker, you can’t look at it from a jealous(they are making so much off me) standpoint–only from a do I have enough to pay my bills or leave standpoint! College athletes could train for a pro league themselves or hire outside counsel and wait until they are old enough/ready enough to try-out for a pro team. EXAMPLE: Do you think that Ussein Bolt–with his height and world renowned speed–couldn’t try out for a pro team if he wanted to! It’s all about marketing yourself and being in good enough shape to do it! College athletics give you the forum to market yourself and they train you, too! Their pipeline to the NFL is straightforward; yours is not! They don’t monopolize it–which is against the law, because very well could do it! But, SUPER HARD and HASSLE PRONE! Think Kurt Warner and Dwight Hicks(49er champion DB). You could do what some boxers do(without their money–of course), which is, have your marketing and training company! The gov’t will provide you a grant–if your brainchild is well thought out! But, that’s almost fantasy; it’s so hard to do without having people to write a proper proposal! Still, you may not know how to do this! WITH COLLEGE, YOU DON’T NECCESSARILY HAVE TO USSEIN BOLT OR THE HULK TO GET A TRY-OUT! You learn there techniques and the NFL or another pro, outfit picks up where they left off. Those techniques the way that a pro team will present them is priceless and it is near impossible to learn it without college to bridge the gap! There’s also being educated enough in case pro does not work out or you don’t make it past contract one! There are teachers that have to paid as part of that system(and they have to make more than the high school variety). Doing it on your own is make or break! If you are not good enough or no team will talk to you, then what are you going to do? With teachers, coaches and other trainers have to be paid. Other sports–which do not have much financial backing–have to be supported, because other students have a way in, too, and–in some cases–it’s the law! Still, College sports are volunteer acts. There are alyernatives, if you don’t like them, then do it yourself!

  85. [...] but each end up with a pretty solid payoff at the end. While players may only average getting about $17,000 cash (according to a 2011 editorial), that is nearly double what I received during my internship out of college.  I was one of the [...]

  86. van says:

    I believe football players should be paid way higher than tuition and room and board. Football players make way too much money for their schools not to get paid extra. Lets do the math 40,000 fans show up to a game and pay an average ticket price of $60. That’s $2,400,000 for one game! Then multiply that by 12. THAT’S $28,800,000 just for attendance. Then add the money from network contracts, and college athletic gear. Its an insane amount of money, and people have the audacity to say football players shouldnt be paid extra. Football players deserve to be spoiled.

  87. Gary says:

    Why not just end all of this BS and pay the college players to play. Eliminate the scholarships and BS classes just to keep players on the field. PAY THEM! Semi-Pro status. Oh, wait a minute, all of the highly paid NCAA goons would be out of a job, could not have that happen, forget I mentioned it.

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